2007-01-17 07:37:00 In reply to Inflatable (2007-01-17 05:24:54)

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2007-01-17 16:18:59

It's a lot like Rallisport Challenge 2, so if you enjoyed that - Inflatable - then you're likely to enjoy this.

Provided this controls like Sega Rally that is.

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2007-01-17 16:24:03

I've heard that Sega hired a lot of ex-DICE staffers for their racing studio, too. I both love and hate DICE--but you can't go wrong there.

2007-01-17 16:46:28

Sounds promising indeed. I think there's a worry that a new and inexperienced studio would cock things up entirely, but there are prolly a lot more new people with the ambition and enthusiasm enough to make a good, unique game.

I think it's inspiring to see how Sega have dropped the "authentic sports/racing game" approach they employed briefly (Tennis 2k1, Sega Rally 2006) and returned to their more consoley naming of the games (Virtua Tennis, Sega Rally Revo) because that's really their greatest strength I think. Elevating the games beyond or above other cookie cutter "we want to be THE simulation of this and that activity" and giving it its own personality in addition to mirroring the subject matter.

Someone told me once that Outrun 2, Sega Rally, Daytona and the like are more than games. I think that accurately depicts why they're such classics.

Thing is, I think there's a lot to be said about crafting your own mold in a way. I think there's a feeling right now of the customised experience, the game that adapts to the user. Some sort of obsession with the dynamics of games and their ability to transform into whatever the player wants them to be. Licensed soundtracks with a "good variety of songs and something for everyone" and fully customisable cars populate "living, breathing cities" modeled after real world locations, and when the race is on, this is what every game aspires to. In retrospect there's little to actually distinguish the one game from the other, besides "having the most options" or the best handling model.

I'm not saying those games are bad - on the contrary I enjoy many of them - but the thing Sega so successfully employed was that extra bit of defining factors. The cheesy music or the stupid bit of voice acting. The look of everything with a distinct tone or colour instead of looking "a little more realistic than that other game".

Revo and "Virtua Tennis 3" are more than names for me, they're a precursor to an effort to bring that quality to the forefront again, and create not just good games but memorable ones aswell. Games that are more than just that.

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2007-01-17 17:16:19

Rally and Daytona are not just racing games, they are an experience.

Pop up on Saturn is another story though :o

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2007-01-17 17:22:57 In reply to roxwell (2007-01-17 17:16:19)

2007-01-17 17:24:25

Those units still go for lots of cash though.

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2007-01-17 17:28:36

Model 2 was the perfect hardware and the games had the perfect look. I swear arcade VF2 and Sega Rally will never, ever look bad.

Now we've invented a billion ways for games to look dated.

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2007-01-17 17:32:20 In reply to roxwell (2007-01-17 17:24:25)

2007-01-17 17:47:59 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-01-17 17:32:20)

if I ever win the lottery? You and I will get one of these each grift

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2007-01-17 18:07:29

I dream of having a house and a game room filled with Sega arcade cabinets. That would be divine.

2007-01-17 19:22:31 In reply to deftangel (2007-01-17 00:39:29)

2007-01-17 20:52:59 In reply to SimonM7 (2007-01-17 16:18:59)

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Where the crap is Shenmue 3 SEGA? Scrap that thing called Shenmue online and finish the Shenmue epic story on 360!

2007-01-17 20:56:40 In reply to LEBATO (2007-01-17 20:52:59)

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Take one 360, add some chopped PS3, stir in some Wii, a sprinkling of DS Lite. Enjoy :)

2007-01-17 20:59:23 In reply to roxwell (2007-01-17 20:56:40)

2007-01-17 21:40:24 In reply to roxwell (2007-01-17 20:56:40)

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Where the crap is Shenmue 3 SEGA? Scrap that thing called Shenmue online and finish the Shenmue epic story on 360!

2007-01-17 21:43:23

I think most games would still lack the 'replay value' nowadays, but online gaming saves their asses.

If SEGA Rally or Daytona had Live play I would still be on them now :p

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2007-01-17 21:48:39 In reply to roxwell (2007-01-17 21:43:23)

2007-01-17 21:52:17

Well thats because they are too different driving genre's one is arcade and the other is sim(ish) like.

I find a PGR boring as hell but something like Ridge Racer and Sega Rally i can play for hours.

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Marumaro for the WIN !!

2007-01-17 21:56:08 In reply to Jollipop (2007-01-17 21:52:17)

2007-01-17 22:05:47 In reply to GriftGFX (2007-01-17 21:48:39)

I do admit they have miles more content! But for actual gameplay? I'd still back Rally (Daytona owns all).
I know you and Lebato love your old games so I respect both your views and understand where they come from :)

I'm a simple man with simple needs. I don't want to adjust my front suspenion 0.5 of a mill, or my gear ratio to 1o1 extra teeth per inch. I just want to drive the thing.
I understand that some do though.

Oh, and VF is the only fighter to dare sniff at SF's bo ;)

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2007-01-17 23:03:13

Well, I think Crazy Taxi and Outrun 2 are both really, really good console ports that - while offering essentially the same "limited" core game - has tons of unlockables that are really nice.

Thing is though, I'm not sure content neccessarily reflects replayability for me. The fact that I played Desert over and over for absolute ages to better my track record (far, far more than I've played PGR3, which I also love) sort of tells me that I found Sega Rally more replayable per se. I think for me it had a lot to do with the fact that SR HAD two cars (one secret aswell for a total of 3) and 3 tracks (again with one secret) so there was this focus there. There was little hopping around getting decentish with a bunch of different cars on different tracks, and instead it became all about those two cars and those three tracks.

Less is sometimes more, they say, and in this case it's especially true for me. People argue that SFA3 is the awesomest Street Fighter because it has umpteen characters, but for me that just clutters things up.

There is a factor I like to refer to as the friday night content factor, though. The kind of solo experience that can take the place of a visit to the cinema or a night out with friends. Sega Rally wasn't really that came, while PGR3 totally is.

At the end of the day I think what I'm trying to say is that I half agree with all of you. It's just that replayability for me has little to do with content.

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2007-01-17 23:13:55

That's a very good point Simon, but with me, more content always means more replayability regardless of how good or bad the game is. I imagine how awesome it would have been if 355 had more than just one car.....they'd have to find another name for it. But maybe without that focus the game wouldn't be as good as it is, who knows.

With more content there's always more to do. Not only can I go back and try to beat my record time, but I can do it for more tracks, with different cars, with different setups, different conditions (day/night), etc etc.

So I'd would have to half agree with you too :D

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2007-01-17 23:15:04

I'm getting a little off topic here, but anyone who claims that SFA3 is the awesomest Street Fighter best not have played Third Strike. Doesn't even come close.

CvS2 is better, too.

I think Sega is perfectly capable of crafting arcade ports with extremely good single player content. VF4/5 are the ony fighting games to really have pulled this off EVER. This Sega Rally won't even ever be an arcade release, so far as I know, so I hope/expect there to be plenty of content there.

2007-01-17 23:34:41

"CvS2 is better, too."

CvS2? Capcom vs SNK2? If yes, then yes :D

That's one of my favorites in the 2D era. I have the Dreamcast version which, going by the GS review never came out in the states. They gave it a very low score I don't know why considering they gave the Xbox version an 8.7 and it's basically the same thing but with online play.

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Where the crap is Shenmue 3 SEGA? Scrap that thing called Shenmue online and finish the Shenmue epic story on 360!